A couple of years ago, on another blog, I transcribed Greg Boyd's opening statements from a debate he had with Robert Price, so that I could reference it and engage it at a later time in my own study.
Yesterday someone commented on that post. I thought I would share this here as it relates to mythicism..
The comment, in its entirety:
Yesterday someone commented on that post. I thought I would share this here as it relates to mythicism..
The comment, in its entirety:
Anonymous said...People like this help me to understand why some get so annoyed at the mere mention of mythicism. There are some really delusional people out there on the internet who make the rest of us skeptics look bad. I mean . . . c'mon . . . really??
You still have much studying to do on mythicism:
The Mythicist Position - video
What is a Mythicist?
For further explanation see,
The Evemerist vs. Mythicist Position
Astrotheology of the Ancients
The Origins of Christianity and the Quest for the Historical Jesus Christ
Jesus as the Sun throughout History
The Gospels: A 2nd Century Composition
Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence
Zeitgeist???
Anyway, below is my response to this strange individual:
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I'm a bit perplexed on several fronts here . . .
Anyway, below is my response to this strange individual:
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I'm a bit perplexed on several fronts here . . .
Here is someone who knows practically nothing about me, telling me that I have much studying to do on mythicism. While I agree with the gist of this statement at face value (I mean . . . who doesn't have a lot of studying to do, whether about mythicism or about any number of things, right?), I find myself taking a modicum of umbrage at this particular "anonymous" (of course) individual. It's kinda like being told by an Esteban fan that I still have a lot to learn about playing guitar. While true at its surface, it's insulting.
Clicking on the links that he or she provides here soon (and quite ironically) reveals his/her own very narrow scope of understanding of the subject matter that he/she in turn sees me as being deficient in. It seems that this person is fixated on the work of Acharya S, which I guess is no sin in itself. Hell, I've even taken some time in the past to cursorily review some of her work in my study of this subject. But this anonymous commenter seems to think that her writings are the pinnacle of mythicist thought, and has therefore stopped there, seemingly quite content that the kind of astrotheology that S espouses holds the key to this complex topic.
I have nothing against Ms. Murdock herself. In fact, I think that she is more or less correct in highlighting the role that the sun and moon (etc) archetypes have had in the long progressive history of world religions in general. She has some genuinely insightful things to say about the many parallels that clearly exist between the symbolisms used by the countless religious traditions of the world. Her work is not entirely unlike that done by Carl Jung or Joseph Campbell in the sense that such parallels can indeed be shown to exist. They form a kind of matrix in which all religious trajectories have taken root and grown out of over millenia. To deny this would be silly, but, on the other hand, to stop there, that is, to not see that the skeletal understructure of any given individual religion needs fleshing out beyond this basic thumbnail sketch comparison, as this "anonymous" person does, seems rather myopic to me.
Specifically, the origin of Christianity (the focus of my mythicist musings) simply cannot be explained away by such simple generalities. One can correctly say that human beings are "vertebrates" and still show no understanding of their detailed physiology, much less of what makes them tick.
Some advice for "Anonymous":
1- Get a name.
2- Read some other authors (I could suggest some, if you like).
3- Perhaps an introductory book on critical thinking might be useful to you as well.
4- Definitely drop the smug authoritative posture. It makes you look like an idiot.
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The same anonymous commenter follows up:
ReplyDelete"Yep, I saw your blog due to that post at Dr. James McGrath's blog. I'm glad to see that in your post over there you felt my comment was "cute." I'm finding it odd how personal you're taking that one little sentence - must've hit a nerve. Maybe just try to lighten up a bit.
Dr. James McGrath is too much OF an INTELLECTUAL COWARD to discuss what I posted here just above - he removes it from his blog. He refuses to even acknowledge the existence of Acharya S and refuses to discuss anything by her whatsoever. Still, all Dr. McGrath has to offer on the subject of mythicism, like so many others, is ridicule and derogatory commentary, skirting the issues and evidence for the case for mythicism however possible. The work on mythicism by Acharya S puts McGrath way out of his comfort zone so he'd prefer to omit it altogether and pretend like it doesn't exist.
So, it's in your own best interest to stop attacking me personally out of a knee-jerk reaction, which doesn't make you look good at all, and actually read and discuss what I shared instead. You might find it helpful - or just pretend it doesn't exist like McGrath.
American Atheist Plagiarizes Acharya's Work?
I just finished reading the above and found it to be an interesting read."
dear nameless one:
ReplyDeleteA "modicum of umbrage" is a far cry from "hitting a nerve."
Seriously. You said nothing more than "read Acharya S" in your comment . . . . which I already indicated I have done, and I even went a bit further to expound on why her work is lacking in substance and relevancy. It is like using 80 grit sandpaper on wood that needs at least 1200 grit.
I am further puzzled: what does James McGrath have to do with me? I disagree on most of his positions regarding mythicism, as anyone following our exchanges can plainly see.
It's in "my best interest" to continue to study and to speak the truth.
One of these truths is that a blog troll, hiding under the guise of anonymity, and obviously fixated on the writings of a single author whose works are peripheral at best to the focus of the discussion, left a brief patronizing comment on a blog post.
This is not an accusation. It is but an observation.
(The 'troll' part i deduce from the lack of substantive engagement with any of the subject matter being discussed in the original post—also from its smug tone.)
As I already alluded to there, any further anonymous condescension will be ignored and rejected out of hand for being cowardly and guileful.
peace be with you.